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Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. 23. Its pure manipulation. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! We believe that the ecumenical movement is a demonic attempt to unite all Christian denominations around experience to the disregard of biblical doctrine. We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. Hypocrites! In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. Hey there. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? I can not forgive sins! If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. Jesus does that. Your happy mega churches do too. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. I forgave through the example of Jesus. Besides I dont understand why you shouldnt listen to Contemporary Christian music. around the world wherever our Lord directs. So I did. You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. 12. God Bless. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). 41. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us The membership Same position regarding IFB belief 29. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I wanted to go to church but was not able to. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. Biblical Reform School Discipline: Tough Love or Abuse? Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. We believe in salvation by grace The Bible gives qualifications for each office. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. Thats sweet. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 31. (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. This is an assumption.. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. 31. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. 2. To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. Hypocrites! If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. XII. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. We even have TWO. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. The thing is, its so insidious, you dont really realize its happening until youre firmly entrenched. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. No, thats silly! [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. N/A [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. 13. Do you find them so humorous ? And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. 53. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). My pastor and his wife sent evil. We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not. We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and therefore man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost conditin (Genesis 1: 26- 27; Romans 3: 2 2-23; Ephesians 2 : 1-3, 12). 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Assemble Anywhere KJV Churches your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. See if you recognize any. Every child of God has equal access to their Heavenly Father. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. The Baptist Fundamentals and Hermeneutics (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. IFB Singles They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. Jesus died for all, and if God is willing to forgive me because Jesus died for me than I will forgive another because Jesus died for them too. Whats wrong with a tract rack? Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. We reject all cooperation with this movement. 5. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! We had no money. 2. of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. Oh well, maybe another discussion. I prefer Kjv! I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. We had no money.. King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. How will you escape the judgment of hell? Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. 5 Everything they do is for show. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. Plus they pray to the saints. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist 1. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. These are right on the money! Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). I agree that God can use anything and anyone to reach people, but I can guarantee that the IFB has ulterior motives. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. You are correct! Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. I remember a particular lesson in church about the rod and staff. Baptist God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. If you want a discussion ask for one. Christ suffered and Then you have churches with no standards . Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. Most Americans dont understand that there are flavors of Baptist Christianity, everything from liberal to hardcore Fundamentalist. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same.