Remington. Two were pretty good while the third and last was not. Armi San Marco took some bad rep. toward the end of the Companys run. Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858 The conversion cylinder is indeed just a part, and can be bought anywhere any time any place. The strong Remington frame made it fairly easy to convert the pistol over to metallic cartridge use, as firearms technology rapidly advanced after the Civil War. THE FRAME RETAINS 97% OF ITS CASE COLORS. One of the knocks against the 1858 Remington is that the cylinder tends to bind on the cylinder pin as the pistol gets fouled, and Bore Butter, or even some Crisco, helps keep that cylinder turning smoothly all day long. I never did fault him for it even though he was 3000 miles out of his jurisdiction. BORE IS VERY GOOD 44 Caliber; 75% blue, good bore, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN GOOD CONDITION. The Pistol was so designed, that the hammer when cocked, would suck back with it, the remnants of the cap just fired, which more often than not, would follow the principle of Gravity, so ably demonstrated by Sir Isaac Newton, and fall into the Yawning Gap, the cocked hammer revealed, So when the trigger was pressed for the next shot, there would be a sort of, Scrunch, sound, as the cap was chewed up and mashed by the falling hammer, effectivley jamming the revolver! Great article. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. If you do this you dont need a wad. Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . February 24, 2015 in SASS Wire. To add to the confusion Chiappa did purchase the 92 rifle tooling and left over parts from ASM. A.S.M Remington 1858 The 1858 Remmy is my favorite gun. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. WOW , thanks for the history , I do see parts ,lighter springs even cylinders for these guns BUT not with the ASM manufacture ,parts are crossed to gun type like "1851 navy" ,would one say theres a strong chance they would work in ASM brand "1851 navy" ? They fit just about any cap and ball firearm. I have a used stainless Army San Paolo 1858 Remington that I got off Gunbroker several years ago and still havent fired it. Yesterday i shot my 1858 Remington 44 cap and ball that was my great grandfathers service revolver that he carried in the Civil War.He fought in Bull run the second Manassas battle and them on to Gettysburg His name was Thomas H Bourke. FS: "1858" Remington Gun Parts Yup means I cant sell a converted C&B without using an FFL. There is some variability between brands of caps as well as manufacture of nipples. These are considered antiques and not subject to paper work. I respect your opinion, but roll my eyes when you try to state that as a matter of fact when its an opinion. WebAN ARMI SAN MARCO pistol is currently worth an average price of $286.19 new and $274.52 used . WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. I now buy all of my replicas from one distributor EMF Company. Watch Cabelas.com or Cabelas stores ( if you have one close to you) What is really going on is that the low velocity sabot or conicals drop quite a bit, and holdovers are extreme. WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST WebBuy a Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Replica Italian made .44 Remington 1858 Replica by manufacturer Armi San Marco. Products A black powder gun IS NOT considered a fire arm! WebAN ARMI SAN MARCO pistol is currently worth an average price of $286.19 new and $274.52 used . Traditions 1858 Army Remington .44Cal Black Powder Revolver An iron-sight Hawken at whatever range you can stay on a sheet of typing paper EVERY SHOT offhand is hunting. Frankly, I like the 45LC version better. I know we are here because our forefathers were able to bring down food with primitive firearms. Grips in very good condition, brass trigger guard 44 Caliber; 94% blue, very good bore, good grips, 9'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A COLT 1847 WALKER PERCUSSION REVOLVER. First load powder, then press ball. Ive got an Uberti rep with the brass frame, so loading above 25g of triple eff aint recommended. The heavier loads are a bitch on my wrists so Ido plinking at about 20 grains. And if you happen to have another pre-loaded cylinder with you, PRESTO! No record exists of his ever giving an Ordinary, Plain workmanlike Pistol, to anyone who might actually have to FIGHT with the badly designed piece of Junk!!!!! To be smooth like a real Winchester. CYLINDER, BARREL AND LOADING ASSEMBLY IS BARE METAL. Its trigger was lightened for target use, so its ridiculously easy to fire. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. I also had 2 spare cylinders. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. I have heard it all about these weapons not having the power to stop anything bigger than a deer or coyotes. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. They were in a nut shell, junk. The safety notch feature makes it easy to safely carry a fully-loaded 1858 Remington. Some were mentioning movies in which the Remington 1858 made an appearance. If you look closely during that scene, you can see the metallic cartridge loading gate cut into the 1858, as well as the metallic cartridges themselves peeking out of the cylinder that Preacher grabs with his left hand. Customer Service. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. I have a LeMat replica, fine in every way except the rammer being a piss poor design, and the two-mode hammer not working well in shotgun position. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. 5.5" barrel in .45 Colt. WOODEN GRIPS ARE 44 Caliber; 95% blue, near mint bore, near mint grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1858 NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN NEAR MINT CONDITION. It was like 1-2 years before they went out of businnes. Serves the same purpose as putting lube over the ball as described in the article, but with less mess, and assists in proper compression with lighter loads. I shot it again in the side and it stop rolling around. I had a few ASMs in the very early days. 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Ive been pretty satisfied with Clean Shot sub, and it smokes a lot less and produces significantly less fouling. After that, the law is quite simple, though apparently foolish. THE BLUING SHOWS A FEW LIGHT SCRATCES AND DINGS BUT IS VERY NICE. Best of all its FREE, and in abundant supply in most homes!!! They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. A lot of their workers did not want to move out of town where all the gun makers were located, so ASM lost a lot of their talent which started their quality problems. ARMI SAN MARCO All year long he trains the deer to come to his corn feeder. I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have been told of caps jamming up a Remington Revolver, but in over Twenty Years of shooting Remingtons, have not had a single jam caused by a cap! NRA Life, Ozark Posse, Southern Missouri Rangers, Bear Creek Volunteers, Dooley Gang, Geezer Gang. The 1858 is the modern name for the Remington New Model Army/Navy revolvers, which were introduced circa 1863. Many, many thanks for making this information public. 1885 High Wall Manual. A few years ago the trigger just wore out. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. Thanks for giving some info on the handgun side of the black powder world. back for a Christmas gift for his son. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. Get an UpLula magazine loader. Of course, only shoot from distances from which you know you make clean, ethical kills. 1885 High Wall Manual. Very good bore and chambers, with light corrosion present. Oil finished walnut stock with 44 BP; 97% blue, good bore, good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Made in Italy. Like this guy. Java, from Plymouth MA. He knew the early production were quality gun and at some point there was a move and or change of management and quality went in the crapper. WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why Estimated Price: $400 - $600. I took 2 quick shots at about 70 yards (yes, too far, I know) one round hit its head, the deer dropped. I had the same problem. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. I do have to give credit to ASM for the fact that most of their reproductions were historically correct. Gauge: 44 percussion. I am not convinced about black powder handguns for deer hunting. So based upon my experience, ASM is a solid hit or a wide miss. I was told by the Chiappa folks, they changed the Armi Sport name to Chiappa because of this confusion. Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. stan wayback WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting About 200 ft-lbs Energy I have several cap-and-ball revolvers, all made by Pietta. Actually percussion caps come in different sizes. To avoid the dreaded chain fire, find caps that fit tightly on your nipples. SOLD It just looks cooler (IMO) than the navy, walker, or dragoon. even the center fire 45-70 and the 45 colt cowboy rounds are NOT considered a fire arm, due to the FACT that they use slower burning black powder to fire them! Modern Reproduction I had one and stupidly traded it for a nice 1911. Not Richards Mason, but Richards like Tom Selleck had in "Sabre River". Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858 Or even from New York? WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester They refused to talk with the others. ARMI SAN MARCO While some parts just dropped right in and worked, the replacement hands needed the most work. Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. In Iowa, muzzle-loading pistols of at least .44 caliber, with barrels at least four inches long and without shoulder stocks are legal for deer hunting. They make the guns for Chiappa now and the quality is still the worst out of Italy. Contact Fingers McGee or Driftwood Johnson. I shoot both of them and they are a hoot. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). Any gun made before Jan 1 1999 i is an antique gun, and requires no involvement of an FFL holder. THE BLUING IS VERY GOOD BUT SHOWS LIGHT OXIDATION ON THE BACKSTRAP. WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. My question is, How close to the Old Army is this Pietta 1858 New Army .44 cal? Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Put the caps in the back and shoot. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. I've thought I might make a lamp out of it one day. Grips for the Uberti 1873 Cattleman El Patron Grizzly Paw New Model as well as the 1860 and 1872 Colt army made by Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. Ive been thinking of getting one since I recently watched Pale Rider. I shot it once in the neck using a 200 grain 45 acp fmj bullet and about 37 grains of 777. oops! 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored Action functions fine., s/n 0181xx. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. hello again my good friends , I have a couple sets of BP cap/ball one is a mixed set of open top 1-36 navy and a 44 navy/army and the other is a set of 1858 new army is 44 any how was thinkin of pull-in them out of the safe and maybe doing a tune up ,try to soffen those big springs but don't see any thing on them any more , not a mention , were these "junk " guns .? The nature of the weapon makes no difference; one is just as deadly, and in the same way as the other. I've been told these ASM revolvers' parts interchange with Colt 1st generation. Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver It was a great pointer and very accurate. We recently got our reader-responsive electronic monitoring and drone surveillance program up and running. It was the Top Overall prize at a shoot in NM about 1993. I have a Uberti 1847 Walker. If yoiui can keep all six shots in a four inch circle, at whatever range you think you are likely to see a deer, then take your Remington Percussion Revolver hunting. Bluing shows wear and scratches overall with a turn ring and wear to the notches on the cylinder. You know youve got a good, airtight seal in the chamber when the mouth of the cylinder shaves a small lead ring off the edge as you seat the ball. Black Powder Revolver Manual. 1885 High Wall Manual. It could definitely be loaded to deer-hunting levels but I just used it to punch large holes in an old oil drum we left against the sand bank at the quarry. Meat harvesting is whats done here in Texas. Also, ASM use forged frames instead of castings on many of their revolvers.Replica Arms of El Paso, TX was started by L.F. Allen. A pietta .36 target sighted Remington 1858 was a beautiful pistol but I could not get it to shoot accurately. Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858 converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination I got my first 58 Remington in 1989 for Christmas ($99 from Cabelas). 44 BP; excellent bore, good grips, 8'' barrel, Made in Italy. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. I load as follows: Mausers, Lee Enfields, Mosins, Krags etc. Turned out the Chaparral "factory" was just across the street and run by the gun shop's son . Some folks claim doing so helps prevent chain fires, or all the cylinders going off at once. The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. .44 Cal percussion. How interchangeable are Uberti gun parts NAVAL SCENE ENGRAVED ON CYLINDER. Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. Remington 1858 Armi San Marco Exc condition, appears unfired. On clening, dont whatever you do mention water, on a web site run by some guy named John Fuhring. Is that what i just shot down with my 5 1/2 inch 1858? Today you can quickly convert your own Remington 1858, without first paying off some big corporation, by merely dropping in a cartridge conversion cylinder two popular versions are the Taylors R&D and Kirst conversions. I lowered my ball size from .454 to 451 (pietta) and dropped my charge from 30 to 20 grains. His design has been in constant use since before the Civil War. Snapped back so hard the hammer tore a chunk of meat from my thumb. The open top revolver needed some work. (They are still remarkably cheap in both .25 and 32-20, but good luck if you lose the magazine.) Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester FINISH SHOWS MODERATE HANDLING WEAR WITH LIGHT WEAR AND A NAVAL SCENE ENGRAVED ON THE CYLINDER. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) gens. Bore and stock in very good condition, rear sight is missing and front sight is loose. Modern Reproduction Traditions 1858 Army Remington .44Cal Black Powder Revolver The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. Left grip has a chip of wood missing at the pin on the back edge. I might be wrong about this! He took the gun back. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. The instruction manual back then did not give any information on proper cleaning. Johnnie Roper. Original blued finish, case colored frame, brass trigger guard and backstrap. Blued finish, brass triggerguard, with walnut grips. Most of the pieces are in a ziploc bag saved for what purpose I don't know. I found that mis fires and hang fires happened all the time. Further, any muzzle loading rifle, shotgun, or pistol which is designed to use black powder or black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition, is an antique firearm unless it (1) incorporates a firearm frame or receiver; (2) is a firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon; or (3) is a muzzle loading weapon which can be readily Bluing on the barrel is in very 36 Caliber; 92% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Westerner's Arms 1851 Navy 6 shot revolver, .36 caliber black powder. Pour boiling water down the barrel, than put a couple of dry patches down there, and your bore will be like the detergent advert! 1858 Remington The other great thing about the cap-and-ball revolvers is that they are not considered firearms, so you can buy all you want and have them shipped to your door. 1858 remington by armi san marco ", Colt cap-and-ball revolvers usually dont [have] safety notches.. They are cheaper to buy, but the first time you put any Hot Loads through one, the Soft Brass Frame will stretch, and youll just have a thing that LOOKS like a gun, but all you can do with it is hang it on the Living Room Wall!!!! Armi San Marco Personally, I think hes nutso! Gun Review: 1858 Remington That sucker started flipping all over the place. Some shot high except a .36 Army San Marco Colt 1851 Navy. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. And you thought the New York reload was a modern invention? These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of The Colt uses a "rampant" pony where the ASM is a pony just standing. In my opinion, I don t think its enough. Their SAA's are a good example. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52749, Lussignoli Renzo W.Parker/ London Reproduction - C53215, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top Barrel: 12 inch So If you load the .44 Remington with something like 25 grains blackpoweder you only get about 100 ft-lbs energy. 1873 Single Action Manual. There will be no records if you send a physical order and payment via U.S. Post Office, FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc. Grips Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of THSS TSRA NRA Life In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard I take all three to the range regularly in the appropriate recreation leather. Water is definitely the very best way to get rid of Black Powder fouling.