It was made of mild steel originally, but this was quickly dispensed with and a harder type of steel was introduced alloyed with manganese, a mixture known as Hadfield Steel after its developer, the English metallurgist, Sir Robert Hadfield. Northamptonshire Regiment who died 14/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France '
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SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). A British Brodie 'Tommy' steel helmet with net and leather lining. Indeed, a domestically produced version of the M1 is still in use today amongst the Indian armed forces, as well as several other countries such as Vietnam, Turkey and Colombia, albeit often in a ceremonial capacity. How the Military Helmet Evolved From a Hazard to a Bullet Shield The colour is fine looks to be the factory green finish, you can buy second hand original liners on line as long as it is for the MkII helmet. Known Heat or Manufacturer Lot code Stamp Marks of M1917 shells. The front is marked in original period paint: Mac Kay C.WU The paint is 100% original. Keeping a village shop going, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. I would leave the chin strap that is original, it's up to you what you want to do, with the helmet shell, it would have had an originalBMB liner dated the same as the shell, but I've seen BMB helmets with other maker. I looked around and could not find any listings for that steel maker. My reply to to that collector is below "If the Brodie Red stamp has the words "patent applied" then it's pre pre Aug 1916 , post Aug 1916 stamps were marked "patent no.1 18 03/16". America ended up purchasing roughly 400,000 Brodie helmets from the British and produced over 2,700,000 M1917 helmets by the war's end. In WW1 Allies: Great Britain, France, USA, etc 1914 - 1918, In Polish Armed Forces - Second Republic (Siy Zbrojne II Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej) 1918-1939, blue brodie helmet(or not) identification, Advice on purchasing a British Military MKII Helmet. Simultaneously, though, the administration of Woodrow Wilson ordered the production of an American-made helmet. A E MK I 1941 G.S.W. Commonly referred to as the "Kelly" between 1932 and 1936 the M1917 and the British MK1 helmets in America. = Mine Safety Appliance Co - Pennsylvania. Similarly other late entrants into the war such as Portugal relied on supplies of the Brodie to protect the heads of their troops. dailyinfo[30]=' B/469 Worker Charles BARLOW Australian Munition Worker who died 30/01/1918 NORTH SHEEN CEMETERY United Kingdom '
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Reproduction WW2 British Army Brodie Helmet with Chinstrap - Tommy FOR SALE! Progressive Knitting Works - Brooklyn - New York. Pity the liner is missing can you tell me what shape are the chinstrap loop/lugs, are they square or have. So a large number of Americandough boyswore British made helmets though out their service in France. Worcestershire Regiment who died 23/02/1915 LOKER CHURCHYARD Belgium '
Tell me what I have, Brodie Helmet identification request. By Over the next nearly four years down to the end of the war in August 1945 over 22 million M1s were produced, either for use by America or its allies. Inland = Inland Manufacturing Co ( General Motors ) - Ohio. He did work there before the war but we are not sure if he held that position pre-war. 100% refund policy on all items returned within 30 days. I'll ask about the bail rivets. M16 LW transitional helmet. The helmet has been varnished. dailyinfo[22]='
25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. An update on my helmet: a little light sanding and I was able to find the heat stamp, though this has only raised more questionsthe stamp is XHF. Missing the chinstrap and liner. Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom '
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Indeed so functional was it and easy to manufacture that the Brodie was purchased by many other countries and the design was adapted by several other European states and even by the United States. It's easy! In addition, the heads of soldiers had relatively greater exposure than other body areas above the parapets in the European trench warfare of that period, and the British "Brodie" helmet and the nearly identical U.S. Marine Corps Doughboy helmet gave insufficient protection to the back of the skull (in contrast to the protection afforded by . It could resist a shot from a pistol fired at it from point blank range. You can post now and register later. The Brodie helmet, nicknamed after it's designer, John Brodie, was Britain's answer in 1915 to the disproportionate number of head wounds by troops at the front. dailyinfo[9]='
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I bought aBrodie helmet and I'm not sure from witch war or time the helmet is from. A Google search only returns one hit-another helmet with the stamp-but I dont see XHF in any manufacturer listings. I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. The main part of the helmet was the steel shell or cap which was produced from non-magnetic Hadfield Steel, a steel and manganese alloy similar to that which the British had begun to employ to make the Brodie helmet as early as 1916. Fully restored with river gravel finis, M16 LW transitional helmet.
WW1: Combat helmet technology - the Brodie steel helmet While the paint was still wet it was dusted with a coat of saw dust. Related Weapons & Armor. dailyinfo[2]='
8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. dgirardin 11 months ago. From left to right: A pair of clamped chin straps with male snaps for the parachutist M1 helmet and liner next to a pair of standard infantry chinstrap used from early 1950s to the mid-1970s. At the outbreak of WWII, the U.S. military . Accordingly many countries have used the M1 themselves until recently, while a small number of countries continue to use this Second World War helmet in their armed forces. Significantly, over 400,000 Brodies were sold to the United States for use in France after they joined the war in April 1917. the problem is that, all the war time services such as the ARP, NFS, and various Civil Defence Units as well as the Home Guard all were. The ring didnt stay gone long and was brought back in 1917 no doubt to the joy of the average Tommy. "We Cannot Always Buy What We Want, But We Buy What We Can". When the First World War erupted in the autumn of 1914 all of the major powers were lacking any type of military headgear which could offer effective protection in the face of modern warfare and weaponry. The helmet came without the liner and the onlymark in the helmet is 4B and I don't know why but under every scratch looks red maybe the helmet was red. HEAT STAMP 626A. A few have turned up with manufacture marks similar to those found on British shells A number of firms made P17s for the U.S. Military. Those U.S. forces that worked with the French Army wore the Adrian Helmet.
Brodie helmets - How to identify - Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia He said it has a separate rim and a serial number of ZA57. During the war, the Company took part in fire watching duties, manned a gun at the exit to Westminster Underground Station and undertook a wide variety of training schemes. if it is red underneathit could have been. The helmet is indeed a M1917A1 shell made by ( the McCord Radiator Co ) the stamp mark ( 4B ) is a heat, or batch stampnumber used for quality control. WW1 US AEF Unit Flashed Brodie Combat Helmet & Liner Is it a BEF or US helmet? Head Gear POOR MANS MILITARIA. One is stamped 1938 in the 'furniture' and is either RAF blue or a police issue type.
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He worked in WhiteHall prior to the war as a chartered surveyor. Though, my opinion is that the helmet is an American M1917. The stamping on the underside of the rim reads: G.S.W. Regards, Paul. Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru '
Also on the remains of the liner there should also be a date/maker name. In conclusion, the M1 can probably be designated as the most successful combat helmet ever made.
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I suppose it also is one of the images of the start of WWII for the US with forces in the Pacific wearing it while under Japanese attack at Wake Island and Pearl Harbour. While British and American helmets may be painted similar colors the finishes on the two type of helmet differ. I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. . The helmet istself is a Mk.1* but i have looked and cannot find any manufacturer stamps on either the helmet or liner/strap. I already have two others. The British effort to do so would result in the Brodie.
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There are some small differences though, one being British chinstrap have stamped steel or brass slide buckles while the Americans favored cast steel slide buckles. Welcome to the forum SR71, there's not much to go on without it's liner. The shape of the helmet was also somewhat similar to the Brodie in that it was based around a circular steel cap which provided maximum protection to the top of the head, with the rim protecting the ears and upper face.
HOW TO IDENTIFY A WW1 BRITISH BRODIE STEEL HELMET FROM A WW2 - YouTube The dark green color and cork coating (to reduce the possibility of ight reflection) is very close to what the first M1 helmets had applied. A Kevlar casque, covered in a sheath of pale-brown desert camouflage cloth, it has a neoprene olive-drab band around the helmet's lower rim, with the soldier's name embroidered on it in black.. Thank you so much Leon i appreciate that , now i have all the info to keep, somehow i could never bear to part with these two gems , and they were both luck on finding as i was not looking for them in the first place, i just thought hey that's nice and bought them for my shelf , again thank you. That's a tough one without knowing what the actual letters are. I think it would be a perfect fit alongside the gas masks in the game, especially with the hype for Battlefield 1 and all.
In August 1915 he acquired a patent for a steel helmet design of his own, one which could be produced from a single sheet of steel pressed into the first basic Brodie helmet. dailyinfo[31]='
420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. I bought it in France and I really don't know what kind of brodie is it and which army used it. Index CEF Helmets - Kaiser's Bunker Its service history within the US armed forces spans a period of over forty years, being the standard issue military headgear for American soldiers between 1941 and 1983 and inspiring imitation models around the world. Helmets were procured from British supply until such point as the Americans could supply themselves with their own helmets. The Liner maker is R.H.Long 1917 and the other liner stamp mark could be an Army. It is unknown what is any maker marks these companies used. It continued in use through the relatively peaceful years of the 1920s and when war loomed again in the late 1930s it was still in use. Here's one I've have had in my collection for many years is this with the steel rim and second pattern liner, i would say unissued , not sure if it was for the Americans or New Zealand troops, but the main printed label is not easily read .it still maintains the crown label , the white doggy bone looking mark was on there when i got it,maybe a clumsy decorator ? [1] Contents 1 Background Some form of identification may be required if you are unknown to us. While the M1917 and Brodie helmets appear very similar, a few characteristics like the chinstrap ball, construction material and paint were slightly different. It also is interesting that the British kept the Brodie Helmet while the US went to the M1 for better protection. British Mark Mark I Brodie U.S. P17 helmet The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. Alexander & Sons Four Bees: British Brodie Helmet MkI, WW1, manufactured - Blogger BRODIE HELMET $110. View detail. Original Canadian WWII Named 1941 MkI Brodie Helmet by General Steel In total approximately seven and a half million Brodies were produced by the British by the time that the First World War came to an end in November 1918. The brim is quite shallow in width & the lining system comprises a padding fixed to the crown comprising layers of felt, lint, and cotton wool. The Brodie helmet is a steel combat helmet designed and patented in London in 1915 by Latvian inventor John Leopold Brodie (Latvian: Leopolds Janno Braude).A modified form of it became the Helmet, Steel, Mark I in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the US. Why I speak of our Canadian Great war forumyou know, us Canadians? Specification. the corners been cut off, can't make out the shape in the photo. dailyinfo[14]=' 16511 Private Albert COLEMAN "D" Coy. Remembered Today:
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H.M.S. After 1936 a new helmet was produced by McCord Radiator Co, the helmets were stamped with 1 or 2 digit numbers, and 1 letter on the rim, all the helmets have the same paint and texture when in factory condition unlike the modified. When separated from the liner, the steel cap could be used for many different things. DPH I need help identifying some markings on the second world war brodie. The helmet resembles an upside down dishpan or washbasin in that it consists of a bowl-shaped cap and a large uniform brim running around the entire exterior. 2nd Bn. No criticism of you, however the term 'brodie' is a silly collector's term which has no historical precedence (a chap called Brodie designed an early helmet which . British chinstrap bail The chinstrap bails on a British Mark I and a U.S. P17 are of a completely different design. (Salonika) Territorial Force Nursing Service who died 01/03/1918 KNOWLE (SS. var dailyinfo= new Array(31)
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Vimyridge23 April , 2010 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. During World War 1, the U.S. adopted the Brodie Helmet, also called the British Mark 1. I am trying to work out what the markings are/ what they mean.
The Brodie helmet, called Helmet, steel, Mark I helmet in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the U.S., was a steel combat helmet designed and patented in 1915 by the Briton John L. Brodie. crewnail 2 years ago. i don't know anything about brodie helmet . DPB in the late 1930s - 1941 and the M1 helmet and liner was phased in 1941 - 1942. The man responsible for the design of the German Stahlhelm was Dr. Friedrich Schwerd of the Technical Institute of Hannover. This differed from the British helmet, as the Mk. Mar 18, 2023 (2) WWI US ARMY DOUGHBOY COMBAT HELMETS $50. Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm '
The first letters representthe company who pressed the helmet. The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. This used brass case is approximately 75 mm diameter and is marked with a 1916 manufacturing date. JOHN THE BAPTIST, LAWRENCE AND ANN) CHURCHYARD United Kingdom '
These will comfortably fit a head size 57-58 cm, or a tight 59. -- Henry Flescher, Holocaust Survivor -- March 14, 1924 - August 29, 2018. The British Mark I has a rubber ring sometimes called adoughnut sewn between two pieces of wool in the base of the helmet dome. Moreover, many Commonwealth nations and other countries associated with Britain such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada and South Africa began producing their own versions in the interwar years, while adapted versions of the Brodie were also used in some civilian settings in Britain, notably by the police and fire brigade. The following is an identification guide for vintage military helmets of Spain. Was wondering if anyone could give some more info on it. The British helmet is made from 21 gauge steel, while the American helmet is made from 19 gauge steel. I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. The British cleverly dealt with this problem by issuing their men with a Hessian cloth cover. dailyinfo[8]=' 13277 Labourer Klaas NERO South African Native Labour Corps who died 08/03/1917 PUGU ROAD 1914-1918 MEMORIAL Tanzania '
The M1 was only finally replaced as the standard issue military helmet for the United States armed forces in 1983, over forty years after it first entered mass production. Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd M42 winter camo. I have had a good look at your helmet again and managed to find another one to compare,This is an American, Here is a British made helmet from the same period, look at the rim joint how clean the joint is put together, now take a look at the rim joints. plant of Ford Motor Co of Philadelphia were they were painted and assembled. The Brodie was the first modern military helmet developed by Britain.
WWII British Air Raid Warden Brodie helmet, painted green with white 'W = International Molded Plastics - Massachusetts. Our philosophy is simple, we want to help people to own a piece of World War II history. Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet, Tommy helmet, or Tin Hat, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. Designed to protect from shrapnel shells bursting overhead, it could be pressed from a single sheet of hardened steel, but left the lower parts of the head less protected. The resulting product, which was ready for mass production in 1917, was the M1917, the direct predecessor of the M1. . If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. dailyinfo[4]=' Matrose Paul KURZKE Torpedoboot "G85" German Navy who died 04/03/1919 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom '
The last issue chin strap was introduced in FM 21-15 by 1972 . I think I have read it is thought to be another mark of Firth and sons, but that make no reason for the K. I think it is quite a common mark though. It may be tempting for some to say because the two types of helmets look so similar they are the same. The British bail design proved to be too weak for the rigors of the trenches. Brodie Helmet / Helmet, steel, Mark I (World War I) - YouTube Who can tell me about this helmet British WW1 or WW2 or..?? inspection stamp mark I've seen them before on liners. //-->, By The truth of the matter is the helmets are different. document.write;
So. "Orbita." before , possibly made by oneof the allied countries. Really appreciate the expertise provided here and hoping that you can help me with the helmet pictured. dailyinfo[2]=' 8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. dailyinfo[6]=' 345190 Sapper Forrest A. KNOWLES Canadian Signal Corps who died 06/03/1921 REIDS MILLS CEMETERY Canada '
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A thick felt pad was fitted to the top of the skull interior to aid in cushioning against impact. Could be Kenny, it's not a British stamp mark socould have beenmade by one of the allied countries , if, it is American then it could be a M1917AI used between 1936 - 1941, the same period the MKII chin-strap. A heat stamp of 305B on a McCord manufactured helmet. : Brodie helmets. I don't think FKS has been definitively pinned down, but most sources say it represents Firth & Sons Ltd. Royal Warwickshire Regiment who died 12/03/1918 ST. Thank you for that feedback! However, the M1 sits further back on the head than the Brodie, thus providing greater protection to the neck. The helmet was manufactured in just one stamping procedure. Thanks for these pictures! WWI US ARMY AEF 6th INFANTRY DIV. BRODIE HELMET Original WW1 US English AEF 79th ID British BRODIE M1916 Tommy 79 Helmet. The Brodie helmet is a steel combat helmet designed and patented in London in 1915 by Latvian inventor John Leopold Brodie (Latvian: Leopolds Janno Braude).A modified form of it became the Helmet, Steel, Mark I in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the US. man in charge. The Brodie has been described by the Imperial War Museum as "a masterpiece of simple design", while militaria expert Martin Pegler calls it "the most instantly recognisable symbol of the British Tommy", although most troops would not have referred to it by by the same name. My M1915 adrian helmet from the belgium army and british Brodie Mk1 helmet used from the USA, Haller's Blue Army Soldier: Uniform Identification. We are born to die, but I appreciate life. Brodie Helmet in Collectable Wwi Military Hats & Helmets